Curse

Fril Estelin · Jan 23, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

losing survivor for "X" reason.

"X" simply being a jerk who behave meanly. Of course from my side or yours, this looks completely superfluous, it didn't happen to us, so one may just think that it's just the fault of the OP, he shouldn't have PUGed with them. One may simply conclude "Full stop and now get on with it". But this is not a nice way to promote a good spirit in a game community. You know, it's a bit like sportsmanship (a few days ago in AB a guy asked all to resign so that the opposing side wouldn't get points for their win, I openly said it was unsportsmanlike).

But well, I guess at one point, someone will invoke the "freedom" card, that says that there are no laws to prevent you from being a jerk.

Necrotic · Jan 23, 2008, 11:27 AM // 11:27

Sounds like the same sort of person who would camp out at a zoneline from a starter town, on a red server (in another game) and PK newbies just because they could.

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 23, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by Necrotic

Sounds like the same sort of person who would camp out at a zoneline from a starter town, on a red server (in another game) and PK newbies just because they could.

You wait till GW2. I can't wait to see the packs of water eles walking around PvE areas snaring the little scrubs trying to quest. Ahhh, it's gonna be good.

RotteN · Jan 23, 2008, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

You wait till GW2. I can't wait to see the packs of water eles walking around PvE areas snaring the little scrubs trying to quest. Ahhh, it's gonna be good.

and then the little scrub gets his high level ranger friends that interupt/cripple/degen said pack of water ele's till they're dead.

Let the Guild Wars begin

Gab's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOward theory explains the behaviour the OP posted. Some kids/retards/idiots just can't handle the internet.

Darkobra · Jan 23, 2008, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

You wait till GW2. I can't wait to see the packs of water eles walking around PvE areas snaring the little scrubs trying to quest. Ahhh, it's gonna be good.

Now all we need is for you to know how it will really work. It might have been witty, then.

cebalrai · Jan 23, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

I almost wish you could find out who people's guild leaders were, and report their behavior. Granted, only some guild leaders would care, but I think plenty would...

tmr819 · Jan 23, 2008, 01:02 PM // 13:02

It is a bit foolish, in my opinion, to enter a PUG for any reason and not be prepared for death. You just have to recognize this fact of life. Even legitimate PUGs (i.e., no jerks) don't always work together as a team, leading to fatal mistakes.

For a player to sabotage an effort, as described by the OP, however, is particularly disgusting.

I often wish there was a "Jerk Title Track", one achieved by earning "votes" from other players, and for which the title was always displayed (as a warning to others): "Jerk" (10 to 50 votes), "Annoying Jerk (2)" (51 to 100 votes), "Major Jerk (3)", etc. (100+ negative votes). Points only could be "awarded" by players that had partied with that player within the last 15 minutes. The "bonus" associated with the title track might be some kind of debuff.

It's not a workable idea, of course, and no doubt open to all kinds of abuses, but it might be kind of satisfying.

FeroxC · Jan 23, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

They do it because the survivor title is a liability. A normal player will be able to take a hit and get ressurected right back into battle.

A survivor - best case is going to run off then come back and res or worst case quit.

As a survivor your basiclaly a crippled character, as the ressurect mechanic doesn't apply to you. Pugs dont wan't cripples - go with your guildmates.

Fril Estelin · Jan 23, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by tmr819

It is a bit foolish, in my opinion, to enter a PUG for any reason and not be prepared for death. You just have to recognize this fact of life. Even legitimate PUGs (i.e., no jerks) don't always work together as a team, leading to fatal mistakes.

Think about it: the OP mentions this guy shouting "Survive this", agrroing and then running to them ... I mean, there's a profound difference between dying and stumbling upon jerks like these. (though I agree it's not safe to PUG randomly like that when you're surviving)

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I often wish there was a "Jerk Title Track", one achieved by earning "votes" from other players, and for which the title was always displayed (as a warning to others): "Jerk" (10 to 50 votes), "Annoying Jerk (2)" (51 to 100 votes), "Major Jerk (3)", etc. (100+ negative votes). Points only could be "awarded" by players that had partied with that player within the last 15 minutes. The "bonus" associated with the title track might be some kind of debuff.

/SIGNED
Dishonorable hex extended to PvE

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It's not a workable idea, of course, and no doubt open to all kinds of abuses, but it might be kind of satisfying.

It was satisfying for the minute I spent reading your post, imagining it, and replying. Thanks

tmr819 · Jan 23, 2008, 01:17 PM // 13:17

Hah. I was thinking that the only way to remove the negative title/debuff would be to have to kill .... mmmm ..... 100,000 grawl.

Theo Godscythe · Jan 23, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Wow, this is freaky yesterday I was also getting run to Lion’s Arch and there was a lv 3 Elementalists in our group. Furthermore I was also going for the Survivor title. I must say the runner was really nice he killed all the patrols that wandered into the portal before running.

People are just the way they are, I sympathize with the Survivor but whenever something bad happens it is quickly followed by something good.

On a different note once I was getting run to Gadd’s Encampment, too lazy to go there myself, and there was an Ursan Warrior in our group who went out and killed monster. When he inevitably got killed a you Survivor Paragon when in to resurrect him, being as lucky as she was as soon as her resurrection skill was done she disconnected >.<
Anyway as soon as that happened a horde of snake people rushed at her… good thing I was there to save the day, as soon as I saw it rushed inside the Falls outpost and she reconnected. Happy endings are nice.

Olim Chill · Jan 23, 2008, 01:27 PM // 13:27

As said many times above - there will always be jerks that try to ruin the game for others. H/H for survivors is usually the best route.

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But, you should have been watching and warped out. If you left the screen, that's your problem.

I also thought the same thing. Why didn't you just log out before the mob hit you?

Yang Whirlwind · Jan 23, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

I don't hate survivors, in fact some of my best friends have that title!

But, some people forget to tell people that they will zone out of the mission faster than you can say "doh!" if they get in trouble,- and that is so not cool!!! (<--- extra exclamation marks for emphasis

)

and I still think it pretty much sucks that I can't get a shot at the title on my main toon "just" because the title wasn't invented when he was created!

~ Dan ~ · Jan 23, 2008, 01:29 PM // 13:29

This game is fee-free, thus - little kids play it.

Theo Godscythe · Jan 23, 2008, 01:29 PM // 13:29

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Originally Posted by FeroxC

They do it because the survivor title is a liability. A normal player will be able to take a hit and get ressurected right back into battle.

A survivor - best case is going to run off then come back and res or worst case quit.

As a survivor your basiclaly a crippled character, as the ressurect mechanic doesn't apply to you. Pugs dont wan't cripples - go with your guildmates.

Crippled my a&$ we actually are careful not to die. If you call that crippled then *something* !

Olim Chill · Jan 23, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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As a survivor your basiclaly a crippled character, as the ressurect mechanic doesn't apply to you. Pugs dont wan't cripples - go with your guildmates

Right. Your average PUG just wants to milk that rez mechanic and wallow in DP.

I prefer the aggro-conscience gimp.

Big_Iron · Jan 23, 2008, 02:05 PM // 14:05

I never PUGed when I did the survivor title. I mostly used H/H with an occasional outing with Guildies. Though, 98% of the time was H/H.

Spike · Jan 23, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

This game is fee-free, thus - little kids play it.

you clearly have never played eve then which is FAR worse than this AND has a monthly fee. So there goes your point. Not that you ever have one anyway.

FeroxC · Jan 23, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by Olim lll

Right. Your average PUG just wants to milk that rez mechanic and wallow in DP.

I prefer the aggro-conscience gimp.

What an idiotic response, its not a case of "milking the rez mechanic" its the fact that res is there when needed.
I prefer an aggro-consciouse player whos not crippled by "survior" anyday.

Your bad rep is self inflicted thanks to the lame behaviour the title enforces and the fact that your at a major disadvantage without res.

Ctb · Jan 23, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Is it because they can't play smart enough to get it, so they are going to try and screw up other's hard work?

Gee, I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the fact that 99% of surivitards think "playing smart" means mapping out the instant they pick up any significant aggro, thus stranding normal players who are just trying to play the game in a short group with mounting DP?

Just a thought.

Not that I condone the childish griefing the OP is discussing, mind you, but I certainly choose to avoid survivor characters whenever possible. It was bad enough when you had to deal with the ragequitters and disconnects. Adding active encouragement to abandon teams was just leaps and bounds beyond stupid. Good old ANET, no middle ground with them. Everything they do to this game is either gold or shit.

And, of course, it's also another example of where ANET chose to completely ignore a basic game mechanic that other games have already had working just fine for years: you create a Survivor character, you have to mark it as such a la the "Hardcore" mode of the much older Diablo 2. Then, you just display that to people when partying so that they can choose to avoid Survivors if they want.

But nooooooo. That would make sense, and god forbid ANET ever just reuses what WORKS from other games rather than trying to implement things in their own half-brained manner without so much as a water-cooler discussion of the ramifications.

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you clearly have never played eve then which is FAR worse than this AND has a monthly fee.

There is no "griefing" in Eve, save for harrassment in the chat channels, which I never saw, myself.

If you leave empire space, there are no rules. This is a game mechanic, and if you don't understand that, it's your own fault when you get ganked.